I was reading and posting in an online forum on a WoW-related topic. In the discussion, someone spilled the beans about the ending of the Dragon Soul raid and storyline. Another person said, “Dude, put SPOILER ALERT on that so we know not to read it if we haven’t done it yet.”
At this point, the person who had asked for the spolier alert was raked over the coals in the way that WoW trolls really know how. They accused him of being a failure at the game because, at this point, only a total loser has not cleared the Dragon Soul in the LFR.
I stepped in to disagree, saying that I preferred to raid with my guild and so I, also, have not done the LFR raids yet.
Then the tide of opinion turned against me, saying that I should be running LFR to get gear to help with normal mode raiding. The fact that it is super-easy was the main argument for its necessity.
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I feel like I’m part of a dying breed in WoW. The main joy of raiding for me is playing with my long-time gaming friends. There is no thrill in loot. Loot lost its appeal to me back in BC when epic purple gear became more common than rare blue-level gear. My joy comes from the shared experience of overcoming the obstacle that the devs have set before us. For that reason, I’d much rather run the raid in normal mode, using gear I got in normal mode Firelands and by running heroics.
Basically, I see the LFR as a nice alternate path for those who want/need it. I don’t see it as a necessary part of the gearing-up process.
Am I the minority here?
I’m with you. If I raid (which I love doing, but mostly 10 man) I’d prefer to go with guild or real-id friends. I went to LFR once, the second week it was out for a look. I was bombarded with ‘Healer noobs’ from people standing in bad expecting to be healed and general rush, rush attitudes. People laughed at those who could not chain the lightning on Hagara (I think it was that one) and all in it was horrible. I would like to see the whole of the DS raid, but think would prefer to do it with my 9 close friends. At the moment the only reason I can see for going is if I am in need of a raid and all my guildies are off doing RL instead of raiding! Also, having been in a strict 10 man guild, then in a small guild getting 25 people in a raid all of a sudden is a bit much for me to heal
I’m of the opinion that LFR should *not* be somethign required or needed by regular raiders, but I think we *are* in the minority. Sure, LFR can be fun and for those who don’t get to raid Normal or HM Dragon Soul it is a way for them to see that content and yes, get some kewl lootz too. If a person is a regular raider, why would they even need the lower iLvl gear that drops in LFR? I read a huge thread about this on the WoW forums yesterday- the OP was crying about Blizzard ruining the game with LFR because it “gives free loot” to bad players and Blizzard has taken away the idea that “some things are hard to get.” The OP was alternately flamed and supported and the whole argument boiled down to the same crap we see over and over again- I have to work hard in Normals & HM raids for my gear, “it’s not right/fair that baddies can get it by standing still with their thumbs in dark places and still get phat lewt.”
I don’t subscribe to that theory. If a person is a regular raider by othe means, why should they #1 feel required to spend their time in LFR and #2 why, WHY should they care if other people do it??
I have a headache now.
If you are a progression minding person LFR is then “Mandatory” other than that it is only what you make it. Our guild did LFR with BOTH of our 10 man raid teams and had a blast. We were just having fun, laughing our heads off and managed to get a few of our non raiding guild members to go along. Telling them how it was different in regular mode, etc.
We now have it as a regular part of our calendar for a BREAK from the progression grind. People bring in alts and again, it is for FUN as we laugh our heads off on Mumble building connections across our teams. This game is only what you make of it. It can become a second job or a stress reliever. We choose to keep it as fun as possible, even in raid finder.
I run both halves every week, to be able to do my job better in guild runs. I don’t see LFR as a spoiler because the challenge of regular mode is still there for my group. I’m the kind of person who looks for every advantage, and I see LFR loot as an available tool to improve my performance. That being said, I don’t require my raiders to run it, and I don’t think less of those who choose not to. It’s a game, play it how you want and enjoy it.
I actively avoid it on my main.
I want my first kill of Deathwing to be an exciting moment, like our first kill of Prince Malchezzar, of Gruul, of Kel’thuzad, and of the Lich King. I want screenshots and happiness in Ventrilo and emotes and “grats” when someone gets new gear.
Getting my first kill with a pug who will then just gripe about loot and make fun of the low dps is a horrifying thought to me.
I don’t look at it as a “real” kill of Deathwing, the LFR version is hardly the same encounter. Plus at this point I have yet to kill Nef or Rag so Deathwing-Full calorie is probably not likely for me in the foreseeable future. In the meantime I’ve gotten some seriously needed upgrades for my 2 raiding characters.
I get that its not a “real” kill.
I’m kind of a WoW tourist. In the same way that the Empire State Building doesn’t excite me so much because I’ve been there, I know that the first Deathwing kill will be the most exciting and all the times I see it afterward will be less so, even if the mechanics are different. If I go in there again on normal difficulty and its a “real” kill, it sitll won’t be my first time and will lose some luster.
I agree with you Din as I too would rather do it with my guild. From what I have seen the level of difficulty for normal DS hardly makes it mandatory to have LFR DS gear. It is more a test of team coordination and don’t stand in bad stuff.
That said I think those that do not normally raid should surely be doing LFR. Those were the people Blizzard designed it for. It was not intended to be a mandatory raid to gear up for normal DS. In fact Blizz has stated that as a design goal. Of course there are those that want to get every advantage they can and look at the LFR as a means to an end.
I also agree that it is about the total experience. Cabernet Sauvignon and Filet Mignon just loose something eating it in a crowded dirty subway car with a bunch of strangers.
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