27
May
08

To run, or not to run?

It was a holiday weekend. That means, of course, that raids everywhere came up short as people went to visit family, had barbecues, etc…

So did you run or not run?

Our regularly scheduled Friday night Gruul came up short of the 25 we need. We decided to go ahead anyway with a… less than ideal group. We pulled in a few who had never done the raid, and even a couple who still hadn’t done Kara more than once or twice. The results? Predictable.

We did manage to get HKM down after six or seven tries, but we didn’t have the DPS for Gruul. A lot of wipes, high repair bills… all for two Badges and three pieces of loot. Worth it?

I still had fun. I am new enough to 25-man raiding that this is still a novelty to me. But some others were very frustrated.

Some in the raid think we should never even have tried that night. I think that getting everyone more practice and experience in the fight was a good thing, even if it didn’t go well. I am not easily frustrated, and I have fun trying to do my personal best even if the raid is not successful.

Also, I am sure that the three players who got T4 pieces from HKM felt that it was worth it. That brings up a much bigger issue – altruism.

altriusm (n) – the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others

We had 25 people, all of whom ended up with 20g+ repair bills and who used a significant amount of consumables in our attempts. The benefits were that three people got loot, everyone got two badges, and several new people got to learn a bit about the fights. From a guild perspective, that’s not a bad thing – more gear and more experience means that we have more flexibility in personnel in later raids. But many people would claim that it was a waste of time. Is that selfish? Should it be OK for a run to be a little frustrating if it improves the guild as a whole?  What is the cutoff for that?  Would three wipes have been OK, but seven was not?

I’m just thinking out loud here.  There is no answer for this.  Everyone has different personal feeling on this.  In my raid group, I am at one extreme – I feel that any raid is a good raid even if there are wipes and it is not a brilliant success.  One person in our raid group is one the complete opposite extreme – he doesn’t want to raid unless every single person is not only well-geared but even overgeared and that we are assured of success.  There is a happy medium, and every guild needs to find that.

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2 Responses to “To run, or not to run?”


  1. 1 azande
    May 27, 2008 at 9:12 am

    I’m on the same line as you, every raid is a good raid provided you don’t wipe because people are screwing around. And here is my problem at the moment, I do not agree with my raid leaders that call a raid an hour before finishing time because it is not worth wiping on Kael or Archimonde, while I believe that the more we see a fight the more we understand it and the more we are prepared.

  2. May 27, 2008 at 11:13 am

    You’re definitely seeing both sides of the story here, but I think the answer is in your description of the preparation.

    First, everyone knew that this was not the ideal group, so what are they complaining about? They could have opted out, but they made the concious decision to support the guild. Now you can argue whether or not how well this was broadcast, because in conditions like this it should probably be stated outright that expectations should not be set high. Depending on guild setup, using guild bank funds to fund reagents and repairs could go a long way.

    Second, if you finally took down the boss, regardless of how many attempts it took, that’s a great thing! Imagine those who’ve barely been in Kara having been a part of this. They now know how hard it is given their own equipment and hopefully are now motivated to “gear up”.

    Third, any upgrade regardless of how small goes a long way to helping the guild. This is something a majority of people I’ve run into tend to forget. If you had any low-geared get those Tier 4 items, imagine how much more of a help it is as gearing up in Kara will now be that much easier.

    Fourth, regarding those on the other end of the extreme, how do they ever expect to an overgeard raid if they are unwilling to help the undergeared get there? I find myself being fairly altruistic with regards to gear. I’ll pass on potential upgrades, if someone else obviously needs it more than I. Why? You can argue altruism and although that’s a large part of it, I know that their upgrades are only going to help me get mine faster the next time.


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